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Сегодня мне позвонили из Чувашии. Ещё в мою бытность викарным в Чувашии, говорили о том, что Чувашская Республика вступает в экспериментальный проект по преподаванию этого предмета. Естественно, что по замыслу, учащиеся должны сами выбирать курсы по
-истории мировых религий
-истории христианской религии
-истории исламской религии
--основы светской этики (это, надо полагать, для совсем неверующих, т.е. исповедающих атеизм)
По моей просьбе мне на электронную почту прислали следующий бланк, который раздали четвероклассникам.

Когда ученик подошел к классной руководительнице для того чтобы спросить, о том, нельзя ли выбрать самим религию, она ответила, что вся школа уже выбрала "основы светской этики" и ради него одного не будут вести "основы христианской религии". Естесственно, совершенно понятно, кАк вся школа выбирала...

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levilla
Dec. 9th, 2009 04:04 pm (UTC)
Мои детные коллеги совершенно искрене боятся, что из их детей будут изгонять бесов прям на уроках, что их дети будут забитые и затюханные (потому что не будут ругаться и драться, как и положено в их возрасте о.О) и вообще отношение такое, будто их детей пытаются загнать в тоталитарную секту. Может надо священнству приходить на родительсткие собрания и бороться с невежеством родителей или может рекламу социальную запустить?
Понимаю, что в случае о котором вы говорите проблема другая: нет педагогов, которые были бы готовы вести этот предмет, но все же и такая проблма есть - родители.
bishop_savatius
Dec. 9th, 2009 04:07 pm (UTC)
Дело как раз в том, что преподаватели подготовленные вести данный предмет по основам христианской религии имеются: их готовили там, в Чувашском институте образования. Я хотел обратить внимание на другое: не захотела директор школы, приготовили бланки и раздали всем
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streltzoff
Dec. 9th, 2009 04:06 pm (UTC)
Владыка, а может оно и к лучшему? Ну сами представьте себе, что рассказали бы о христианстве в школе, где такое отношение к религии...
Но если предполагалось участие в образовательном процессе священника или специально подготовленного человека от епархии - тогда, действительно, как бы обидно...
bishop_savatius
Dec. 9th, 2009 04:09 pm (UTC)
что значит "к лучшему"? Нарушаются сами принципы, договоренность о которых была достигнута между Церковью и минобразования

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mashenka_sench
Dec. 9th, 2009 04:35 pm (UTC)
Думаю, в наше время с подобным школьным безобразием бороться можно только публичностью.
ex_egor_pro
Dec. 9th, 2009 05:44 pm (UTC)
равно как с церковно-государственным.
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igumen_aga
Dec. 9th, 2009 05:18 pm (UTC)
сделал перепост у себя
ann_d
Dec. 9th, 2009 05:40 pm (UTC)
Владыка, мы (портал "Православие и мир" pravmir.ru) бы хотели осветить эту важную тему подробнее - возможно, что много где такая же ситуация. Можно ли с вами связаться и попросить комментарий?
bishop_savatius
Dec. 9th, 2009 05:55 pm (UTC)
Видите ли, я ведь сейчас уже не имею отношения к данной епархии. Возможно, я бы попробовал Вас связать с упомянутым мной о.Максимом Курленко
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vilsen
Dec. 9th, 2009 05:58 pm (UTC)
Вот и верь после этого, что советская власть закончилась. Все так же и почти там же.
smart_lawyer
Dec. 9th, 2009 06:40 pm (UTC)
я себе смутно представляю как может выглядеть предмет про светскую этику для четырехклассников, но, думаю, это будет лучше, чем забивать их головы религиозной дурью.
geneus
Dec. 9th, 2009 09:32 pm (UTC)
Невежество в вопросах религии конечно лучше.
Меньше знаешь - крепче спишь.
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parakhod
Dec. 9th, 2009 07:06 pm (UTC)
И правильно. Пощадите хоть детей, не забивайте им головы своей хернёй!
marinabg
Dec. 9th, 2009 07:40 pm (UTC)
какое вам дело до наших детей?
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merig00
Dec. 9th, 2009 07:22 pm (UTC)
А как насчет того что б создать частную христианскую школу?
chapnin
Dec. 9th, 2009 07:51 pm (UTC)
"Церковный вестник" уже месяц добивается данных от министерства образования РФ о результатах этих родительских собраний. Очевидно, что результаты уже известны, они не должны быть засекречены, но и получить их не удается. Было бы интересно запросить общие данные хотя бы по Чувашии. Может есть кто в местном минобре?
ex_egor_pro
Dec. 9th, 2009 07:59 pm (UTC)
Очень верно. И если подтвердится все, то подключить МВД для решения вопроса о катехизации населения нашей страны.
namangete
Dec. 9th, 2009 07:59 pm (UTC)
Люто, бешено аплодирую.
turbosraker
Dec. 9th, 2009 08:32 pm (UTC)
У меня вопрос. Согласно Конституции Российской Федерации церковь отделена от государства. Конституция Российской Федерации является Основным законом, общеобязательным для исполнения на территории Российской Федерации. На каком основании в государственной школе должны преподаваться церковные дисциплины? Заранее благодарю за ответ.
geneus
Dec. 9th, 2009 09:35 pm (UTC)
Преподается не церковная дисциплина, а ИСТОРИЯ.

А вот администрация школы (вероятно из своего неприятия определенной религии) насильно лишает учеников выбора, какую историю им изучать т.е. нарушает их конституционные права.
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alexiy
Dec. 9th, 2009 08:52 pm (UTC)
За что боролись,...
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niko83
Dec. 10th, 2009 11:30 am (UTC)
Re: не волнуйтесь
Ага из фильма, дух времени например ,очень "научный" фильм :)
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gillesde_rais
Dec. 10th, 2009 01:52 am (UTC)
сабжевому ученику стоит пойти в спец.школу-они и для христиан есть(с углубленным изучением предмета ОПК) и для детей с нарушениями умственного развития-тут уж родителям решать- в какую именно.
У него и родителей полная свобода выбора.
пусть в спец.учереждениях изучает ОХР,ОПК и т.д. т.п. И не мешает нормльным детем-которые ходят в школу за знаниями по светским наукам.
vitaly_kaplan
Dec. 10th, 2009 06:29 am (UTC)
Я Вас правильно понял, что Вы считаете детей из православных семей умственно отсталыми? Равно как и их родителей?
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